https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/ Форум для общения жителей СНТ Быковка ru-ru Sat, 11 Nov 2023 08:35:00 +0300 MyBB/mybb.ru https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=28#p28 <p><span style="display: block; text-align: center"><strong><span style="font-size: 20px">Строительство трассы №74 в Троицке и Новой Москве</span></strong></span>&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 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&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; <span style="display: block; text-align: center">В последние несколько лет в Новой Москве вспыхнул спор о строительстве четырехполосной дороги – трассы №74, которая предполагается пройти от Ботаково через Троицкий лес и выйти на продолжение Октябрьского проспекта. Это предложение вызывает беспокойство жителей Троицка и окрестностей.</span>&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 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&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; <span style="display: block; text-align: center">Идея строительства трассы №74 впервые появилась в территориальных схемах развития Троицкого и Новомосковского округов в 2015 году. Однако она не нашла места в реализации и была отложена на некоторое время. Уже в 2020 году все же было принято решение о возобновлении и реализации проекта до 2040 года, что вызывает беспокойство среди жителей.</span>&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 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text-align: center">Одним из главных опасений жителей является вырубка части леса для строительства трассы. Этот лес, который был ценным многие десятилетия, представляет собой не только природный резерв, но и место, где местные жители находили уединение, проводили время с семьей, занимались спортом и наслаждались природой. Планируемая вырубка части леса пугает местных жителей.</span>&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 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Они боятся, что это негативно скажется на популяции местных видов животных и растений, а также на экологическом равновесии. К тому же, Троицкий лес служит местом для прогулок, велосипедных поездок, пеших прогулок и занятий спортом. Здесь важно понимать, что строительство трассы не лишит местных жителей возможности наслаждаться этой природной зоной и не повлияет на качество жизни в регионе.</span>&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 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&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;<span style="display: block; text-align: center"><a href="https://t.me/smarttrees" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Авторский проект Михаила Ухова &quot;Умное зеленое&quot;</a> считает, что сохранность экологии, безусловно, важный фактор для современного мира. Однако, наряду с ним стоят еще и перемены. И здесь важно учесть их гармоничное соседство, чтобы обеспечить максимально комфортные условия к сосуществованию.</span>&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;<span style="display: block; text-align: center">P.S. 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&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; <span style="display: block; text-align: center"><a href="https://dzen.ru/a/ZUjGxiRpNypTlAv-" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Подпишитесь на канал,чтобы не пропустить новые публикации.</a></span>&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 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&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;<span style="display: block; text-align: center"><a href="https://u.to/RxsYIA" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Перейти</a></span></p> mybb@mybb.ru (bgyvzwuklx) Sat, 11 Nov 2023 08:35:00 +0300 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=28#p28 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=26#p26 <p>Профессиональные услуги клининга: уборка после ремонта, генеральная, поддерживающая, химчистка мягкой мебели, удаление жировых отложений на кухне парогенератором, мытье окон + альпинист и многое другое. 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Ситуация казалась безнадежной, даже не знаю: решила бы я ее без помощи магии, но к счастью после двух недель в поисках выхода я нашла сайт: <a href="http://fatimagiya.ru/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://fatimagiya.ru/</a> , а там и Фатиму. Мне очень повезло, что она согласилась мне помочь. И вот недавно ко мне мой парень вернулся, а ведь раньше знать не хотел, это мне его друзья передавали. Все хорошо сейчас, он заслужил мое прощение , и мы оба купаемся в неземном счастье и взаимной любви.</p> mybb@mybb.ru (Zaika) Tue, 12 Jan 2016 14:11:05 +0300 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=23#p23 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=22#p22 <p>Проходу, который закрыл Инжтехсервис года 3 назад..</p> <p><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">http://bikovkaproxod.narod.ru/</span></strong></p> <p>Может, найдутся инициативные люди и &quot;пробьют тему&quot;...</p> mybb@mybb.ru (AmBar) Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:19:05 +0400 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=22#p22 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=21#p21 <p>Почему народ смотрит за порядком только на своём участке (и то не всегда)?</p> <p>Почему выкинуть пакет или бутылку из-под воды на дорогу (про окурки, понятно, молчим) как два пальца об-ть?<br />Почему так многим наплевать, что делается за их забором?</p> <p>У многих улицы вдользабора так заросли непонятно чем... ямы, горы песка или щебёнки годами...<br />Как будто это не его вокруг и он завтра съедет...</p> mybb@mybb.ru (AmBar) Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:24:36 +0400 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=21#p21 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=20#p20 <p>В администрации есть кому ответить&#160; :canthearyou:</p> mybb@mybb.ru (AmBar) Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:19:53 +0400 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=20#p20 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=19#p19 <p>Ну например, сколько асфальтовой крошки было засыпано в наши дороги с самого начала?<br />Про деньги не спрашиваем...&#160; :playful:</p> mybb@mybb.ru (AmBar) Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:18:41 +0400 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=19#p19 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=18#p18 <p>Что этой весной нас могло затопить...<br />типа уровень воды мог подняться на 10-12 метров...<br />вот ссылка:<br /><a href="http://zhukvesti.ru/articles/detail/19295/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://zhukvesti.ru/articles/detail/19295/</a></p> <p>ужасть-то&#160; &#160;:rain:&#160; &#160;:rain:&#160; &#160;:rain:</p> mybb@mybb.ru (AmBar) Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:16:42 +0400 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=18#p18 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=17#p17 <p>Просто пишем сюда!!!!<br />И неважно, будет ещё день рождения или юбилей или уже был...<br />Всем будет приятно, да и на следующий год уже знать будем...<br />к кому со стаканом идти.... :shine:</p> mybb@mybb.ru (AmBar) Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:13:33 +0400 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=17#p17 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=16#p16 <p>Может сюда списки должников вывешивать?</p> <p>C полным адресом... и сроком задолжности...</p> mybb@mybb.ru (AmBar) Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:11:02 +0400 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=16#p16 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=14#p14 <p>А их около 4- или 5-и...<br />Мало-ли какие вопросы у нас к ним или у них к нам...<br />да и дороги общие...<br />А некоторые даже на наших дорогах себе бани и дома поставили, и кол у них на глове чеши...(речь про последнюю нашу улицу, после Тихой)<br />и снег мы чистим для них тоже и асфальт кладём в дом числе и для них..<br />По которому ездят их Камазы с песком, навозом и стройматериалами, только они-то ни рубля на дороги как-бы и не дали...<br />А нек. таджики, что живут у них, воруют с наших столбов наше электричество..<br /> короче, есть тут &quot;точки соприкосновения&quot;... горячие...</p> mybb@mybb.ru (AmBar) Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:02:14 +0400 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=14#p14 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=13#p13 <p>Например, у меня много телефонов разных фирм..<br />Ещё больше мастеров...<br />А ведь если ещё и посмотреть на работу того или иного мастера наглядно, да ещё и по вашей рекомендации...<br />Короче, не стесняйтесь, спрашивайте, всегда что-то можно решить... и посоветовать..</p> mybb@mybb.ru (AmBar) Mon, 06 Jun 2011 13:57:39 +0400 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=13#p13 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=12#p12 <p>Можно продать кучу дров... или сетку заборную или трубы...<br />Не стесняйтесь! Даже 2-4 десятка оставшихся кирпичей можно предложить... или плитки или инструмент не нужный.. :blush:</p> <p>всё то, что вам кажется не нужным...<br />типа старой ванны... или металлической сетки от кровати (а ведь это всё надо при стройке!)</p> mybb@mybb.ru (AmBar) Mon, 06 Jun 2011 13:49:35 +0400 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=12#p12 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=11#p11 <p>Если вам что-то понадобилось, то пишите, спрашивайте, оставляйте свои координаты и вдруг это у кого-то найдётся...&#160; :smoke:</p> mybb@mybb.ru (AmBar) Mon, 06 Jun 2011 13:35:37 +0400 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=11#p11 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=10#p10 <p>Можно и рассаду и саженцы предложить...<br />Вон однажды у правления червей красных канадских что-ли предлагали.. ^^</p> mybb@mybb.ru (AmBar) Mon, 06 Jun 2011 13:32:30 +0400 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=10#p10 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=9#p9 <p>Есть много телефонов мастеров и разных фирм...&#160; :flag:</p> mybb@mybb.ru (AmBar) Mon, 06 Jun 2011 13:30:09 +0400 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=9#p9 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=8#p8 <p><strong><span style="font-size: 18px"><br /><a href="http://snt-rodnik.ucoz.ru/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://snt-rodnik.ucoz.ru/</a></p> <p>Есть что почитать и чему поучиться</span>...</strong></p> <p>И от них же интересные ссылки на другие, полезные нам сайты: <br /><a href="http://snt-rodnik.ucoz.ru/index/poleznye_ssylki/0-16" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://snt-rodnik.ucoz.ru/index/poleznye_ssylki/0-16</a></p> mybb@mybb.ru (Burlak) Mon, 06 Jun 2011 13:23:17 +0400 https://bykovkalux.0pk.me/viewtopic.php?pid=8#p8